Video game thread

@Barhandar  
You don’t have to list Starbound to me. I’m primarily a Starbound modder - though I’ve produced mods for Duke 3D (1997, where I got my start), Morrowind, Oblivion, and Space Empires IV over the years - but I take the other end of that argument. We do not own these games. Auto-updates in the current world should be a thing. Breaks mods? OK, they’re not a part of the product that was paid for, it’s not up to the game dev/pub to hold things back for self-congratulatory modders, and it’s the onus of the modders to update their mods. Is that annoying? Damn straight it is. But so is missing out on bugfixes and features because some asshat has said “I’m not updating my mod until a month from now because yes.”
 
As to the documentation line, OK I get your meaning now and that I agree on. Though I have to wonder why you seem to be getting so tilted over this.

@Barhandar  
iirc there are two other programs that were needed, unless they were only relevant for Fo3 and NV or the role is fulfilled by MO2 instead.  
>Remember when those went “HURR ONLY UPDATES FOR THE RICH PEOPLE PEONS GET BASIC VERSION ONLY” during the first paid mods debacle?  
I don’t, actually. I may have still been using consoles exclusively at that time.

@Azure Fang  

Opt-in so you can personally decide to make bad decisions, yes, no-opt (forced) lol no, hidden opt-out like Steam also lol no.  

haha bugfixes  
autoupdating should be done through physically writing and mailing (to distribution centers) disks so that THE CHUCKLEFUCKS THAT PASS FOR DEVELOPERS FIX THEIR SHIT BEFORE RELEASE, NOT AFTER  

haha features  
I can install Mo’ Creatures or equivalent on Minecraft 1.2.5 and I will have more “features” from that alone than if I used vanilla 1.16, because all the Mojang does is add irrelevant creatures (i.e. what Mo’ adds), change the game in irrelevant ways (literally anything about combat), and shit up the code; the possibility of modding in the first place means any “features” an update adds will be long surpassed by mods.  
I can recall exactly two games where features added by devs themselves ended up being superior to what mods do, and not only one of them is content-only-mods game (i.e. hard limit on performance of anything added by mods due to Lua being slow), both of them provide an option to not update (in fact, one requires you to explicitly agree to autoupdates) and stay on old versions, with either partial or full archive of such.  

then don’t play that mod, you’re excusing stupid decisions that apply to everyone based on a twice unlikely situation that needs a modder and a user who downloaded their mod to apply to them

@EverfreeEmergencies  
FO3 needs a patch because Windows Live, FNV needs a patch because it was forcibly autoupdated in a retarded manner and is incapable of running without a 4GB patch slapped on it to bypass the broken update’s code for many people.

Undermine has completely taken over my life. Thanks saph

Azure Fang here, on phone, still haven’t copied credentials.
 
@Barhandar  
This is exactly why I usually don’t participate in modern modding communities and just quietly write my mods. This is the exact mentality that I despise: putting mods before the game itself. You “win”, I’m out of this conversation, it’s gotten way too heated for reasonable discourse.

@Anonymous #2BD9  
If you want the game first and only (or you wouldn’t be arguing in favor of forced autoupdates or objective superiority of game versions labelled with a higher number), why do you make and/or use mods in the first place? They change the experience from what the Almighty Devs have Intended.
 
Being able to not autoupdate does not interfere with your ability to update the game if you so wish.  
It only interferes with devs and publishers’ ability to force unwanted changes on their customers (players).

Since the start of this year I’ve been trying out the indie games I bought on steam sales and never touched. Crossroads Inn, like Starship Corporation, is an interesting concept but incredibly disappointing. This time because of the sheer amount and severity of bugs.

Wish I could start fights that easily when I meant to.

@EverfreeEmergencies  
What are those games?

@EverfreeEmergencies  
Man, everyone just wants to make and play simulator games these days. Where’s my 300 IQ RPG games?

@Barhandar  
Starship Corporation is a management game about designing spaceship layouts to fulfill customer demands. The game slows down to single digit frames around the time you have ten of your own ships on the map, and the entire Red Alert section of the crew simulation game is nearly impossible to do and it’s generally recommended to autoresolve all except two scenarios, both because of bugs and horrible combat balance. I’m not a huge fan of the contracts you’re offered either, but that falls more to personal preference than anything. The game encourages you to allocate a budget to research groups of modules over time, rather than paying a one-off fee for specific ones. However, research progress makes no difference on the fee, and contracts necessitate multiple modules you will not have access to for many, many turns practically from game start, which wouldn’t be an issue if those contracts didn’t expire (which isn’t mentioned anywhere). It makes setting a research budget feel like a pointless waste of money.
 
Crossroads Inn is a medieval inn building/management game. Build an inn, hire employees, trade for resources needed to run all the services you offer. There’s a good amount of depth in the building part, different storage items can store different resources, different furniture appeals to different types of customers, etc. Employee AI leaves much to be desired (they take breaks way too often, for one) and there’s a glaring bug that breaks part of the building tool after it’s opened and closed the first time in a session, and requires relaunching the game to fix.

@Humble Oriathan  
Where they’ve always been. In 1999.

@EverfreeEmergencies  
that last part about the inn reminds me of moonlighter and ressetear

@TeamBlueplant  
My brain rearranged that into “resetera” in real time.

@TeamBlueplant  
I need to go back and actually finish both of those games. Moonlighter because it’s just a really solid game, and Recettear because “Capitalism, ho!” if nothing else.
 
@Officer Hotpants  
My right eye automatically twitched after I read that and I had to go back and re-read Blueplant’s post even though I had already read and comprehended it. Thanks for that.

@Azure Fang  
paint? excuse me?
 
i suck at rogelikes (in fact i struggle to get past floor 2 in enter the gungeon) but i did quite enjoy and managed to beat moonlighter, the music is just that good and the store management segment is good to break monotony
 
@Officer Hotpants  
english is a difficult languaje

@Azure Fang  
Weird. My right eye was twitching as I was reading that comment.
 
@TeamBlueplant  
All the more so when it’s an English translation of a Japanese attempt at a English pun.

@TeamBlueplant  
My apologies. I’ve corrected my error. I have a bad habit of single-glancing names and committing mistakes to memory.
 
I’m pretty hit or miss with -likes; some I excel at, like pre-Repentance Binding of Isaac: Rebirth, and some I’m irredeemably shit at, like Undermine or Barony… or a devastating total inventory loss in Shiren the Wanderer recently. I more prefer -lites with significantly more stable persistent progression, like Moonlighter or Heroes of Hammerwatch. And thanks for reminding me to add Moonlighter’s OSTs to my wishlist; I’ve been on a chiptune kick for so long that I’ve passed on too many good instrumental soundtracks.
 
@Officer Hotpants  
They’ve been awfully quiet lately. Last I heard them was when they sperg’d out over an out-of-bounds inside joke and a bottle of soap in Ion Fury.

@Azure Fang  
What?

@Azure Fang  
for some reason people misread me name, i get called bluepant or print waaaay too often
 
i actually managed to complete barony, but because i disabled hunger and abused stealth and tinkering skills
 
also add the made in abyss ost in that list, i personally really liked the jungle biome theme, frostpunk made by the same studio also has some great instrumentals, and so does some tracks of coh 1 and 2, particulary the british in 1 and the okw and russian themes in 2

@TeamBlueplant  
Until a few days ago I thought your name was blue paint.

@Officer Hotpants  
godamit, why does this always happend, i guess im just cursed

@TeamBlueplant  
Post in the cursed images thread, pls.

@Officer Hotpants  
ResetEra went insane over a bottle of “Ogay” soap (spoofing Olay) and a comment in an out-of-bounds cell reachable only with noclip that was perceived as being racist; so ResetEra being the twittermites of gaming, really. The developers ended up removing the out of bounds cell - it was out of bounds and thus doing nothing for the game experience, after all - but kept the soap.
 
@TeamBlueplant  
Combination of minion summoning and tinkerer as well as shop abuse, disabling hunger, minotaurs, and random traps (Blessed Edition) is how I completed my one and only successful run. Every other run usually ends before Herx/Baphomet with no hope of getting to Erudyce and Orpheus.