TAG DISCUSSION
Exhumed Legume 
Alias
open jacket`` ->
`leather jacket` -> `jacket`, `clothes`
`bathrobe` -> `robe`, `clothes`
`robe` -> `clothes`
`kimono (clothing)` -> `clothes`
`cheongsam` -> `clothes`, `dress`
`hanfu` -> `clothes`
`daisy dukes` -> `clothes`, `shorts`
`sports shorts` -> `clothes`, `shorts`
`denim shorts` -> `clothes`, `shorts`
`shorts pulled down` -> `clothes`, `shorts`
`panties pulled down` -> panties, underwear
`open hips` should be aliased to `spread legs`
Weirdo
furry oc -> furry, hfh, ocAlias
open bathrobe to open robe?open robe -> open clothes and robeopen clothes -> clothesopen shirt -> open clothes, clothesopen jacket`` ->
open clothes, `jacket`, `clothes``leather jacket` -> `jacket`, `clothes`
`bathrobe` -> `robe`, `clothes`
`robe` -> `clothes`
`kimono (clothing)` -> `clothes`
`cheongsam` -> `clothes`, `dress`
`hanfu` -> `clothes`
`daisy dukes` -> `clothes`, `shorts`
`sports shorts` -> `clothes`, `shorts`
`denim shorts` -> `clothes`, `shorts`
`shorts pulled down` -> `clothes`, `shorts`
`panties pulled down` -> panties, underwear
`open hips` should be aliased to `spread legs`
Exhumed Legume
Weirdo
photaww finish -> photo finish, cuteCinder Glow and Summer Flare could use either aliasing or mutual implication.
Barhandar 
Aliasing into Mahogany Holocaust
artist:ponydoodles, artist:elfcicada -> artist:occultusion
See source links/signature. It should also imply “ugly” and “mouthpiece” :^)
@Exhumed Legume
See source links/signature. It should also imply “ugly” and “mouthpiece” :^)
@Exhumed Legume
Cinder Glow and Summer Flare could use either aliasing or mutual implication.
πʊßƛįϰ
P.S. The one thing that Derpi did right when they migrated from Textile to Markdown was allow heading tags. I miss those. Proper bulleted lists, too.
Philomena improvement proposal that I’m submitting here: associative tags. The idea was originally discussed between me and a background pony over on Derpi. However, they aren’t currently interested in implementing it or any similar proposal.
Why ask over on Derpi in the first place?
Why ask over on Derpi in the first place?
- The idea came up naturally in conversation
- Derpi remains the de facto booru of record for 98% of images. Tagging policy changes there, if accepted, will improve tags on here, Ponerpics, and Twibooru as well when the respective importer bots run.
Why discuss in this thread rather than on the Philomena project itself? - To get buy-in from here (and/or Ponerpics) before sending it to the Philomena GitHub
- Gain feedback on how to improve the proposal from more places
- Hopefully find the BP that was in the Derpi thread for more thoughts from them (as it was inspired by their idea in the first place)
What is the idea?
While the system as first proposed in the Derpi thread looks like S-expressions you’d feed into a LISP interpreter, there may be a simpler input.
Rather than merely tag images withTwilight Sparkle, Rarity, butt, horn, they could instead be tagged withTwilight Sparkle/butt, Rarity/hornto describe an image with Twilight’s butt and Rarity’s horn. Likewise, theimplied Xtags could be standardized intoGilda/impliedorRainbow Dash/offscreen.
While this proposal as presented still leaves some ambiguity in orgy scenes, the associative tags allow us obsessive categorizers to be properly obsessive and link “accessory” tags to the character they accompany.
What about search? - If you want to find (or hide) only stallion butts (rather than match images with a stallion and a mare’s butt), something like
{1}/stallion && {1}/buttwould be the search string. - Searching for just
buttwould match legacy images with a plainbutttag as well as every singlebutttag associated with a character (i.e.Twilight Sparkle/buttwill match as well)
Other benefits/drawbacks?
- The only obvious drawback is that pony boorus each have 2.7 million images tagged the old way. This may be a better proposal for new boorus starting from zero. Maybe performance would be weird, but that’s for the Postgres experts to discuss.
- An additional benefit is the consolidation of per-character ad hoc tags, like
twibuttandrearity. - Could be a differentiating feature from Derpi, if it gets implemented and used here and not there.
- Encourage uploaders to be anal about tagging the species, breed, and gender of each character.
Changes to the tag box?
I may make a mock-up later if I remember.
Rather than making users repeatedly type outcharacter/before typing the tag they want, the fancy tag editor could be enhanced with separate sub-boxes for each character.
>General tags<
artist:none of your business, safe, tree, outdoor, prank
>Character tags<
-? Twilight Sparkle | pony, unicorn, butt, rearing
-? Rarity | anthro, unicorn, R63, horn
-? Rainbow Dash | offscreen, laughing
-? Gilda | implied
+[New Character]
artist:none of your business, safe, tree, outdoor, prank
>Character tags<
-? Twilight Sparkle | pony, unicorn, butt, rearing
-? Rarity | anthro, unicorn, R63, horn
-? Rainbow Dash | offscreen, laughing
-? Gilda | implied
+[New Character]
P.S. The one thing that Derpi did right when they migrated from Textile to Markdown was allow heading tags. I miss those. Proper bulleted lists, too.
Athena
@πʊßƛįϰ
This is a cool idea, although I think the current system of adding a descriptive qualifier to tags (e.g. busty twilight sparkle) is more intuitive and a nice compromise between simplicity and granularity.
On a related note, I feel as though aliasing localised/novelty tags such as headlight sparkle (“headlight” is US/Canadian slang, apparently) and twibutt to something that’s universally understood would be an easier way to improve the current tagging system.
This is a cool idea, although I think the current system of adding a descriptive qualifier to tags (e.g. busty twilight sparkle) is more intuitive and a nice compromise between simplicity and granularity.
On a related note, I feel as though aliasing localised/novelty tags such as headlight sparkle (“headlight” is US/Canadian slang, apparently) and twibutt to something that’s universally understood would be an easier way to improve the current tagging system.
evan555alpha 
Head Administrator
UwU Chwyasawis my waifu
@twiByte
Feel free to suggest a different pun; I’m still in the process of changing them all to what they should have been when Derpi touched them in the first place. (and yes I will be adding in implications when I can)
Feel free to suggest a different pun; I’m still in the process of changing them all to what they should have been when Derpi touched them in the first place. (and yes I will be adding in implications when I can)
πʊßƛįϰ
@twiByte
Part of the reason why
They’re all obvious once you know what they are but(t) will leave you guessing before then.
Part of the reason why
twibutt and similar tags are troublesome is just how inconsistent they are. An alias between headlight sparkle and busty twilight sparkle makes enough sense because you can also have busty Fluttershy and similarly-named tags for the other ponies. The butt tags, in specific, are a mess of inconsistency: there are those based on the name of the pony (twibutt, flutterbutt, and rainbutt dash), ones based on the cutie mark (sunbutt, moonbutt), and others that don’t fit nicely (rearity).They’re all obvious once you know what they are but(t) will leave you guessing before then.
Athena
This might be ridiculous but I wonder if it’d be worth implying canary:spikeabuse or something similar on spike?
This “canary in a coal mine” tag namespace would allow certain users to spoiler/hide new, potentially upsetting posts that have yet to be tagged correctly. Other users can then confirm the post’s contents and remove/replace the tag. It would also make trolling attempts obvious if it were to be maliciously removed after upload.
Ideally this proposed namespace should only be used with tags that consistently cause drama on the site and should not be used pre-emptively.
It doesn’t personally bother me, but it could be a nice way to make the site more friendly for other users.
EDIT: I just realised that this would retroactively apply to every Spike image ever posted. It would be necessary to automate its initial removal from all existing posts if implemented and would leave quite the stain in the tag history.
This “canary in a coal mine” tag namespace would allow certain users to spoiler/hide new, potentially upsetting posts that have yet to be tagged correctly. Other users can then confirm the post’s contents and remove/replace the tag. It would also make trolling attempts obvious if it were to be maliciously removed after upload.
Ideally this proposed namespace should only be used with tags that consistently cause drama on the site and should not be used pre-emptively.
It doesn’t personally bother me, but it could be a nice way to make the site more friendly for other users.
EDIT: I just realised that this would retroactively apply to every Spike image ever posted. It would be necessary to automate its initial removal from all existing posts if implemented and would leave quite the stain in the tag history.
Napsack 
Senior Moderator
Glare Mare
@twiByte
Personally I would say no. It kind of sets a precedent for other tags of this nature that may not be applied on upload, and kind of bloats the tag system imo. Couple that with the fact that we already have a system for this, namely warning or banning people who regularly do this, and it seems a bit excessive.
That just my opinion, though. If anyone else has an argument feel free to voice it.
Personally I would say no. It kind of sets a precedent for other tags of this nature that may not be applied on upload, and kind of bloats the tag system imo. Couple that with the fact that we already have a system for this, namely warning or banning people who regularly do this, and it seems a bit excessive.
That just my opinion, though. If anyone else has an argument feel free to voice it.
Athena
@Napsack
I may have underestimated just how many Spike posts are uploaded daily! The idea sounds fairly decent on paper, but it would require constant maintenance and would likely snowball out of control over time, becoming yet another redundant tag.
It’s unfortunate there isn’t really any way to preventatively combat this issue other than for affected users to either blacklist such a broad tag as Spike or to stop using the site entirely.
I may have underestimated just how many Spike posts are uploaded daily! The idea sounds fairly decent on paper, but it would require constant maintenance and would likely snowball out of control over time, becoming yet another redundant tag.
It’s unfortunate there isn’t really any way to preventatively combat this issue other than for affected users to either blacklist such a broad tag as Spike or to stop using the site entirely.
Officer Hotpants 
Moderator
Double-0 Negative
The gender-reversed character tag for Sprout Cloverleaf, Sapling Trefoil, has a few images under it now. Should probably be promoted from green.
Anonymous #DF73
@πʊßƛįϰ
I had this idea years ago (though I’m not familiar with LISP). Plus there would be “shipping(ts,rd)” instead of twidash, etc.
I never said anything because it seems too complicated for average viewer and uploader.
@πʊßƛįϰ
You can always search on tags page:
https://ponybooru.org/tags?tq=implies3Atwilight+sparkle2Cimplies%3Abutt
I had this idea years ago (though I’m not familiar with LISP). Plus there would be “shipping(ts,rd)” instead of twidash, etc.
I never said anything because it seems too complicated for average viewer and uploader.
@πʊßƛįϰ
You can always search on tags page:
https://ponybooru.org/tags?tq=implies3Atwilight+sparkle2Cimplies%3Abutt
Anonymous #03F2
artist:15.1.14 now changed it’s main artist name to artist:one4pony on Derpibooru.
So these two tags should direct to the same page.
So these two tags should direct to the same page.
Exhumed Legume
Alias
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I don’t suppose there’s any way to stop a particular tag from being added, on upload or otherwise?
Specifically,
Weirdo
Wow, a whole month (and change) without posting here?
Shocking.
Well, time to fix that with a tag dump…
So apparently all of the G5 Mane Five, and Sprout, have new R63 names…
Shocking.
Well, time to fix that with a tag dump…
So apparently all of the G5 Mane Five, and Sprout, have new R63 names…
Harness Pathfinder = Harness Trailblazer – g5, rule 63, hitch trailblazerIsaac Crestie = Iggy Moonbow – g5, rule 63, izzy moonbowpip corolla = plume meadows – g5, rule 63, pipp petalssun starchaser = solar starscout – g5, rule 63, sunny starscoutZip Cyclone = Zoom Typhoon – g5, rule 63, zipp stormSapling Trefoil = Sapling Cloverleaf – g5, rule 63, sprout cloverleaffightin' six -> them's fightin' herds, community related, arizona cow, oleander, paprika paca, pom lamb, tianhuo, velvet reindeerTwiMoon -> nightmare moon, twilight sparkle, shippingsummer chills could use blueingMs. Cutewhinny -> ms. harshwhinny, cuteawwtumn blaze -> autumn blaze, cutecinderbetes -> summer flareblazebutt -> autumn blaze, buttchangepony -> hybridblushing profusely -> blushingin bed -> bedAlias
artist:redmn10 to artist:redmnAlias
artist:sweet-queen to artist:sweet queen – The signature and watermark have no dashionizing radiation warning symbol, radiation sign and radiation symbol need aliasingeyeglasses should be aliased to glassesheart shaped glasses and heart glasses should be aliased, imply glassesDJ glasses and Vinyl glasses should be aliased to vinyl's glasseseyes visible through hair and eye clipping through hair seems synonymous, unless I’m missing somethingAlias
sideview to “side view”Alias
jiggling to jigglebreast fondling -> breast grab, breasts, gropebutt grab -> grope, butt touchbreast grab -> breasts, gropeball fondling -> balls, gropeself grope -> gropeaccidental groping -> gropelicking cock -> licking, nudity, oral, penis, sex, tongue outcocksock -> penis apparel, nudity, peniscock bow -> penis apparel, nudity, penisI don’t suppose there’s any way to stop a particular tag from being added, on upload or otherwise?
Specifically,
fictional species is entirely redundant (and probably copied over from furbooru).
Deserter
One thing I’ve been meaning to bring up for a while is the “nudist X” tags. It seems someone in Twibooru has been adding them to any image where a character is naked, even when it doesn’t make sense, like when they’re taking a shower or in sexual situations, where being naked is expected.