TrukkinDuck 
Nopan is best pants
What’s this Derpibooru 3.0? If an artist is being a prick they can just block
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TheBridge
I know NOTHING
@ZizzyDizzyMC
I will have to study this. The user interaction lock that is drawing the most controversy seems to be a attempt to set up the benefits of a user blocking system, something I have supported in the past on at least a “soft” basis (at the very least blocking PMs, at most, blocking users from seeing one another but not participation outright). The first thought that comes to mind is the Spike Abuse conflict being a possible driver of this.
@Barhandar
>because it WILL need manual intervention since tags on the booru are editable by definition, so either you lock and unlock comments manually
Could they have coded it into the site though? Seems like something that might be simpler to do then some of the requested features, though I am not sure.
> I suspect it was added to distract from other changes to the rules so I will need to go over them in more detail.
I think more then likely:
@Adan Druego
I will have to study this. The user interaction lock that is drawing the most controversy seems to be a attempt to set up the benefits of a user blocking system, something I have supported in the past on at least a “soft” basis (at the very least blocking PMs, at most, blocking users from seeing one another but not participation outright). The first thought that comes to mind is the Spike Abuse conflict being a possible driver of this.
@Barhandar
>because it WILL need manual intervention since tags on the booru are editable by definition, so either you lock and unlock comments manually
Could they have coded it into the site though? Seems like something that might be simpler to do then some of the requested features, though I am not sure.
> I suspect it was added to distract from other changes to the rules so I will need to go over them in more detail.
I think more then likely:
@Adan Druego
so I can’t criticize your decisions. It does seem to me that it would make some jobs easier by reducing reports filed because of hurt feelings.
Barhandar 
@TheBridge
It does not decrease amount of reports filed because of hurt feelings. It increases amount of reports because offended infantiles will generate more of them, enabled by this change, and people will go out of their way to oppose them.
It does not decrease amount of reports filed because of hurt feelings. It increases amount of reports because offended infantiles will generate more of them, enabled by this change, and people will go out of their way to oppose them.
Could they have coded it into the site though?
The point is that booru system does not permit actions based on artist tag, because tags can be changed by anyone.
- If you make it work based on tag, you ruin the point of the booru; either by having “locked tags” that users cannot add or remove (i.e. extra staff workload!), or by letting them exploit the automatic comment lock by putting the artist tag on unrelated image.
- If you couple it with artist upload/credit change, it’s objectively worse than giving users the ability to disable comments altogether for multiple reasons (it still allows the artist to comment, and shit up because people who don’t want to hear feedback are not good people, on other images, it prevents valid criticism, it requires either artist to be active on pony, and again, I am of the opinion that people who want to be coddled like this do not belong here, and enabling them will shit up the site in exactly the same way as derpi or extra staff action to change credit).
Additionally, it’s an attempt to move the responsibility for keeping the site clean away from jannies. A blocked-by-user shitter is a shitter that is free to shit on all users who hadn’t blocked them, a reported shitter is a banned shitter. Conversely, a blocked-by-snowflake reasonable person is a potentially one genuine user less, while reported reasonable person will go unbanned unless your staff/rules are fucked.
honestly it all boils down to “you cannot make the comment locking automatic, and manual comment locking MUST be at staff discretion; users, including artists, should have absolutely zero ability to command a lock, and the lock should be last-resort if banning consistent offenders has failed”
Color Anon 
Distant banjo noise
Is there a rule to deal with people who only join this place to fight with everyone and derail any discussion they don’t like? Derpibooru was crawling with that kind of people and there’s no reason to enable them to do the same here.
Anonymous #6116
Well Ponybooru has going to be like Derpibooru to be honest
Zaknel 
Ezekiel 33:11
I don’t know. Derpibooru always told me to report people, but they didn’t do anything about it.
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@Officer Hotpants
Completely agree with this, that’s a big step going full Derpi or going even more retarded.
Completely agree with this, that’s a big step going full Derpi or going even more retarded.
AdudefromCHL95
So I noticed that most users here doesn’t like that User Interaction Lock in the DNP, I for one I’m not fan at all.
If my memory doesn’t fail me, there is a rare ocassion that the comments seccion of PB gets locked, mostly is because of deraling a subject or downright trolling (it’s been seen in Derpi as well, but not that common here)
Artist have their the rights to claim something they don’t like and shit, but locking the comments on your artist tag just for the sake of it doesn’t sound too “free” and you simply don’t want to see some replies that are “offensive” related to the art of the characters.
What if is simply just a compliment or a simple critic about your art? It usually improves the artist by reading the public’s opinion.
Hopefully the rules here are subject to change based on everyone’s take on this modifications…
If my memory doesn’t fail me, there is a rare ocassion that the comments seccion of PB gets locked, mostly is because of deraling a subject or downright trolling (it’s been seen in Derpi as well, but not that common here)
Artist have their the rights to claim something they don’t like and shit, but locking the comments on your artist tag just for the sake of it doesn’t sound too “free” and you simply don’t want to see some replies that are “offensive” related to the art of the characters.
What if is simply just a compliment or a simple critic about your art? It usually improves the artist by reading the public’s opinion.
Hopefully the rules here are subject to change based on everyone’s take on this modifications…
Anonymous #B8DB
I feel the same as everyone else regarding the user interaction lock, but artist upload only has me confused as well. Is the site going back to the initial idea of only delaying uploads, rather than stopping them?
Barhandar
Actually, the entire rewritten DNP rules are hilariously nonsensical.
Artists Upload Only / With Permission Only: This DNP gives an artist 31 days to upload any art that is otherwise available on any public platform by themselves. An artist may lose their DNP listing if they do not upload within 31 days of the art being available elsewhere.
Putting the onus on not-the-staff + more work for the staff as the result + this isn’t actually a DNP.
Limited Edits: This DNP limits edits to things likely to fall under Fair Use (Parody, Transformative, Sufficiently different from original.) This does not apply if edits are on other freely available platforms.
The edits mostly come from 4chan, and are nigh-universally uploaded to Twi and Poner as well. This is completely meaningless.
Content Delay: This gives artists and creators a way to specify a delay in which their art or content may be uploaded. Up to 4 weeks for freely available art on public platforms, up to 3 years for art available on paid platforms.
This has no point to exist.
P.S. You also currently have no code means to assist with this, i.e. it will be all manual tracking. Also, wide open to high-effort manipulation such as reposting images every month so they can never be uploaded, instead of just
you know
having an actual “do not post until I decide otherwise” DNP like you’ve had until now
P.S. You also currently have no code means to assist with this, i.e. it will be all manual tracking. Also, wide open to high-effort manipulation such as reposting images every month so they can never be uploaded, instead of just
you know
having an actual “do not post until I decide otherwise” DNP like you’ve had until now
User Interaction Lock: This disables comments on Ponybooru on pieces exclusively with your artist tag.
In light of the above, it looks more like a mockery of artists. “Ha ha! You can’t have the DNP, but you can have the consolation prize of nobody being able to comment!”. Additionally refer to the discussion about how it’s not implementable.
Artist Tag Change: This DNP type instructs Ponybooru to change any art with your artist tag to have a different artist tag, chosen at random for privacy.
Attempts to pass off someone elses work as your own will not be allowed.
Lmao. Your phrasing is garbage. Unless you literally mean the artist tag will be picked at random instead of having a People Hiding Ponies # alias, in which case it’s the idea that is garbage.
Lmao. Your phrasing is garbage. Unless you literally mean the artist tag will be picked at random instead of having a People Hiding Ponies # alias, in which case it’s the idea that is garbage.
Hidden by Default: This DNP type will make pieces with exclusively with your artist tag hidden from the homepage, only available for search by logging in.
Conflicts with presence of “everything” filter, and pointless along with fake-DNPs because Twi and Poner (and, for that matter, TPA) exist as genuine archives and you won’t be able to compete. Occupy your own niche - you do not have the mojo to overtake other sites.
Commissioned art: When uploading a commissioned art piece, include the “commission” tag. Commisioned art is typically exempt from DNPs except in circumstances where artists explictly retain distribution rights, ask your artists for more details.
Completely meanginless. “With Permission Only: commissioners have permission” accomplishes exact same results while being actually explicit and more respectful to the artists (see above how you can’t fill the niche of callous disregard).
Bonus: by default the distribution rights are All Rights Reserved because practically nobody actually puts rights disclaimers on their art (that is different from ARR); off-hand I remember one artist namely, Moonatik with his “all non-commission artworks by me are public domain” that even has such in the description. Extra work for no gain.
Bonus: by default the distribution rights are All Rights Reserved because practically nobody actually puts rights disclaimers on their art (that is different from ARR); off-hand I remember one artist namely, Moonatik with his “all non-commission artworks by me are public domain” that even has such in the description. Extra work for no gain.
Torrents and piracy: Videos, images, text, and comments advertising, encouraging, and/or providing a means to pirate, torrent or bypass pay walls are not allowed. Discussion of piracy/torrents/paid content are allowed so long as the discussion does not faciliate the act of piracy.
This is literally a “twibooru and ponerpics are banned” rule as they can, will and have bypassed paywalls. Derpitard much?
Also “discussion is allowed except discussion is banned”, the rule as phrased only allows condemnation and, technically, neutral opinion of piracy during discussion (and allows neutral opinion to be easily spinned into “encouragement” by staff if they want to ban people).
Also “discussion is allowed except discussion is banned”, the rule as phrased only allows condemnation and, technically, neutral opinion of piracy during discussion (and allows neutral opinion to be easily spinned into “encouragement” by staff if they want to ban people).
Artist tag: Each image should have an artist tag. Use “Artist:name” when at all possible; if no artist is known, use “artist needed”.
Not all images have artists. Photographs don’t have artists, screencaps don’t have artists.
It additionally fails to mention the two outliers: “anonymous artist” (which really should be re-aliased into “artist not to be named” to avoid confusion), and “artist:anonymous”, when the source is from a site that doesn’t have usernames and the artist hasn’t been identified yet.
It additionally fails to mention the two outliers: “anonymous artist” (which really should be re-aliased into “artist not to be named” to avoid confusion), and “artist:anonymous”, when the source is from a site that doesn’t have usernames and the artist hasn’t been identified yet.
Artworks containing MLP as a secondary focus are allowed, barring the MLP relation in question is unique to the composition.
“Barring” means “except for”. It’s not synonymous for “but it must”. Also, bad phrasing in general and bad example, the plushie is blatant obligatory pony, can be edited out in a minute, and the entire image belongs on furburra.
Do not buy, sell, encourage or offer incentives to others to change voting.
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Images that are uploaded with incentives to vote must be tagged “vote bait” and will be hidden by default from the front page. This includes content like “Every 20 upvotes a new edit is released” and the likes thereof.
Mutually exclusive. Either such images are against the rules and deleted, or offering incentives to others to change voting is allowed.
User profiles: Profile pictures and personal titles cannot be filtered and thus must not including seizure inducing content and be kept SFW.
neither derpi nor you nor even 4chan hold to this rule l m a o this is a legal avatar on derpi and here, and this is legal to post on 4chan
Exemption: Information thatispublicly known or intentionally released is typically exempt.
Run a spell check already.
Color Anon
Distant banjo noise
By my own personal experience with thieves and impostors on Deviantart, I will say right off the bat that The user interaction lock is a terrible idea that can and will be abused to kingdom come by thieves and impostors looking for attention or just to cause damage: upload stolen content, lock the comments so nobody could call you out, and chuckle knowing you are being a turboasshole.
Cammera
What purpose does this serve? It only adds complication and encourages divas to commission to create drama.
Do you really want to keep track of who comissionee what? I always believed comissioner:x tags would be good for encouraging comms, but this is all the drawbacks none of the benefits
Undesirable
Commissioned art: When uploading a commissioned art piece, include the “commission” tag. Commisioned art is typically exempt from DNPs except in circumstances where artists explictly retain distribution rights, ask your artists for more details.
What purpose does this serve? It only adds complication and encourages divas to commission to create drama.
Do you really want to keep track of who comissionee what? I always believed comissioner:x tags would be good for encouraging comms, but this is all the drawbacks none of the benefits
Sapphie 
Senior Moderator
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@Anonymous #B8DB
The basic idea is that “artist upload only” is only available so that artists can post stuff themselves. We’re kinda done pandering to the “THIS SITE RAYCIST, MY ART CAN’T BE POSTED THERE” crowd. DNPs are meant as something for artists that actively use the site.
At least if I’m understanding correctly. Been a tad busy today so I haven’t really had the time to properly catch up, though.
The basic idea is that “artist upload only” is only available so that artists can post stuff themselves. We’re kinda done pandering to the “THIS SITE RAYCIST, MY ART CAN’T BE POSTED THERE” crowd. DNPs are meant as something for artists that actively use the site.
At least if I’m understanding correctly. Been a tad busy today so I haven’t really had the time to properly catch up, though.
Anonymous #B8DB
@Sapphie
I was under the impression it was to please the “artist’s rights” crowd who do use the site, however sporadic they may, rather than twitter screechers.
I was under the impression it was to please the “artist’s rights” crowd who do use the site, however sporadic they may, rather than twitter screechers.
Zaknel
Ezekiel 33:11
“Your DNP is only valid if you are a member of thid community.”
Why even have it then?
Why even have it then?
Barhandar
The basic idea is that “artist upload only” is only available so that artists can post stuff themselves.
They already can do that with uploader credit change/absence of DNP plus postybirb.
We’re kinda done pandering to the “THIS SITE RAYCIST, MY ART CAN’T BE POSTED THERE” crowd.
Which is how much existent, precisely?
DNPs are meant as something for artists that actively use the site.
Then they’re not DNPs at all. Do Not Post means do not fucking post.
And again, the niche of a real archive is already taken. All you’re doing with this is further damaging your already low reputation - and for a double whopper, you’re doing it with both artists and bronies.
@Zaknel
~compromises~
And again, the niche of a real archive is already taken. All you’re doing with this is further damaging your already low reputation - and for a double whopper, you’re doing it with both artists and bronies.
@Zaknel
~compromises~
Hattsy
ponk
make the dnp so that all artists are required to draw my wife pinkie pie and put the dnp on all artists on the site please thank you
Anonymous #28C9
These changes seem very poorly thought through. Others have made valid points before me, so I won’t rehash them. But really the old rules seemed fine. The comment lock is pure stupidity and giving in to the worst voices among posters. I truly think the changes are unnecessary and that they should be reversed.
php111
Post by @Luzion
Is this not the case anymore? and if so what exactly is the goal of Ponybooru? and why has it suddenly changed?
The change to the DNP policy directly undermines your stated goal, and also fails as a compromise,
“Post your art in 30 days or else…” is not a compromise, as people rightfully pointed out to you the last time you did this, back when the site first launched, and it’s not exactly filling me with confidence to see you repeat the same mistakes you made back then
Also: minor side note, I thought the dnp info was getting moved to it’s own dedicated page
@Sapphie
Unless I misread something, the new dnp rules do not in any way differentiate between artists who do or do not use the site,
so to that end you are also effectively screwing over the artists who actively use the site by taking away the tools to manage their art/tags
"A R C H I V E S I T E"
@Barhandar
@Barhandar
+1 to basically all of this
I do kinda like the idea behind the hfh tag tho, even if it does somewhat fail in execution
@ZizzyDizzyMC
I was under the impression that the goal of Ponybooru was to serve as a direct replacement for Derpibooru, and not to try and compete with the other dedicated Archive-Boorus of which there are no less then three.
meanwhile the only other competitor to Derpi is Manebooru and well…yeah, I’m sure I dont need to point out why that’s a problem
From the site’s FAQ section
@Barhandar
+1 to basically all of this
I do kinda like the idea behind the hfh tag tho, even if it does somewhat fail in execution
@ZizzyDizzyMC
I was under the impression that the goal of Ponybooru was to serve as a direct replacement for Derpibooru, and not to try and compete with the other dedicated Archive-Boorus of which there are no less then three.
meanwhile the only other competitor to Derpi is Manebooru and well…yeah, I’m sure I dont need to point out why that’s a problem
From the site’s FAQ section
>What is Ponybooru?
Ponybooru aims to be a straight Derpibooru replacement, but with no content banned for political or personal agendas. If its legal in the US and pony related, we’ll host it! In other words: DNPs are respected, but outside of that, almost anything that’s pony and legal can be uploaded…
Post by @Luzion
Rule 1: Edit protection and exceptions to DNP for those that are purging content outright would be nice, but we already know you’re not going to even pretend to be an archive like Derpi tried, so w/e. At least you aren’t pretending.We are, as it stands, not an archive, but I understand your frustration.
Is this not the case anymore? and if so what exactly is the goal of Ponybooru? and why has it suddenly changed?
The change to the DNP policy directly undermines your stated goal, and also fails as a compromise,
“Post your art in 30 days or else…” is not a compromise, as people rightfully pointed out to you the last time you did this, back when the site first launched, and it’s not exactly filling me with confidence to see you repeat the same mistakes you made back then
Also: minor side note, I thought the dnp info was getting moved to it’s own dedicated page
@Sapphie
We’re kinda done pandering to the “THIS SITE RAYCIST, MY ART CAN’T BE POSTED THERE” crowd. DNPs are meant as something for artists that actively use the site.
Unless I misread something, the new dnp rules do not in any way differentiate between artists who do or do not use the site,
so to that end you are also effectively screwing over the artists who actively use the site by taking away the tools to manage their art/tags
Exhumed Legume 
Weirdo
you are also effectively screwing over the artists who actively use the site by taking away the tools to manage their art/tags
But they only risk losing those tools if they’re not active on PB (while being active on other boorus) so I don’t see how this isn’t a moot point?