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I know a lot of you are using mass uploaders to move content from derpibooru over here, but is it really that hard to check the DNP list and add the artist tags to the excluded tags on the uploader? I keep having to report images which just wastes the time of both me and the admins.
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Anonymous #32A5
@Rhyrs  
That’s because artists submit their DNPs incorrectly. If they want their art not be uploaded by other uploaders, they should use “Artist Upload Only” restriction, not “Other” restriction. Also, if they want to use multiple restrictions, they should submit multiple DNPs, instead of using “Other” type.  
“Artist Upload Only” automatically denies upload, while “Other” does not. Did you notice that all images that you reported have “Other” DNP?
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Rhyrs

@Anonymous #32A5  
This still creates unnecessary work for people. Besides, in the DNP rules, “Other” is labelled as “A combination of the above options. Or a special case / exemption.”
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Anonymous #31EC
@Rhyrs  
“Artist Upload Only” is completely automated, it completely removes human factor. How it “creates unnecessary work for people”?
Besides, in the DNP rules, “Other” is labelled as “A combination of the above options. Or a special case / exemption.”
Maybe staff could answer you better in that one. I’m just explaining how automated system of DNPs works.  
P.S. Also, see this: [link] .
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Rhyrs

@Anonymous #31EC  
There are a low number of users uploading a very high number of images. It’d be much easier for the uploaders to check the DNP list than for the users to report every violating image and for admins to individually remove every violating image. For some people, the “other” category works better than “artist upload only”, and it’s never explained that choosing the latter automatically disallows new images. I appreciate the new filter, but not everyone is using it.
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Anonymous #3034
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Mod here, yes it is correct that if an artist is under an artist upload only DNP, their art cannot be uploaded. That being said there are numerous examples of improperly filed DNP’s.  
Additionally the code currently in place cannot account for custom DNPs as that would require writing code for every DNP that doesnt fit a standard DNP request.
 
And let me tell you, there are quite a few DNPs that do not follow “standard format” so these must be manually enforced for the time being. We’re looking into solutions but yes, some DNPs are a pain in the ass for us.
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Rhyrs

@Anonymous #3034  
Perhaps it might be a good idea to let people know that the artist upload only option automatically denies uploads to possibly avoid this. I’ll be changing mine to try and help
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Clear Vision
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Petrolhead Artist
As an artist who has previously submitted a DNP, I would like to point out the fact that at the time that I requested it, there was no way for me to completely prevent others from uploading my art and getting my work removed from the site, you could only delay it.
 
“Artist upload only” at the time before the rules were updated only meant a DNP could be honoured for 120 days after being publicly posted elsewhere. After that time, anyone was free to upload the image in question. I didn’t want that because it was spitting in the face of artist’s wishes, which is why I chose “Other” to outline my own terms. Quite frankly, I still don’t want my work here, because I don’t want to support a site that doesn’t respect artists.
 
Even in their own rules, which is mostly just copy and pasted from Derpibooru and (is still filled with mistakes) they say this:
 
Ponybooru is a website dedicated to fanart of MLP:FiM. Without the thousands of artists creating such fan art, we would not have much of a site at all. Therefore, it is important to always respect the wishes of the artists regarding their artwork.
 
So why the fuck would you bite the hand that feeds you? Some people don’t like this site because of Aryanne and nazi stuff but I don’t care about any of that. I wouldn’t have a problem with my work being hosted here if it hadn’t made a shady impression while still promising to be “transparent”.
 
Here are sections of the old #2 rules (that have since been changed) stating that uploading paid content after 6 months was allowed, as well as that 120 day rule. You can still see this in the rule revisions:
 
  • Content that cannot be obtained for free must be released for a minimum of 6 months. We understand there are creators that make a living off of what they create, as such there are DNP tools available to put a hold up to 1 year for paid art.
  • Artist Upload Only & Permission Upload Only: If you have this type of DNP assigned , you or the permissioned uploaders have 4 months after art is posted elsewhere to upload it to Ponybooru.
 
Why CW or Zizzy thought any of these things were a good idea, I don’t know. You can’t present this as an alternative to Derpibooru when at least to me, it seemed similar to yiff.party but on a delay where anything goes. The only thing I can say is that I’m glad this was changed.
 
There was also a case where Hermaeus Xerxes’ DNP was changed without notice or permission to allow some of his work to be uploaded, even though he clearly stated that he didn’t want his work here because it contained something “offensive”. I don’t know what it was, but it doesn’t warrant completely changing the terms of a DNP.
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Devops
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@Clear Vision  
Regarding HXs DNP: I changed his DNP because I had just finished the mass delete of his art, and found the text beyond just offensive into the realm of defamatory. I’m under no obligation to syndicate my own defamation. The omission of the negatory was simply a mistake because I was very tired. It’s been corrected and his DNP now expresses both his wishes and his view. If he wants to keep preaching on a soapbox, he has Twitter. He has my apologies that it took me a while to tend the mass delete, and that’s all I can do.
 
Regarding the initial site rules, other than wanting “use your filters” to be rule 0, I had nothing to do with them. I need to not have to worry about site content issues at all so I can get back to working on the server this site should be living on and isn’t yet, and letting Z handle 100% of that was part of it. Once the cloud is solidified, I’ll turn my engineering concerns to the site and you’ll see rapid progress.
 
Dil/HX and the angry blue bird crew et al trying to crucify this site from the day it spawned has made me numb to caring about their viewpoints. My ultimate goal is doing what’s best for the community and respecting the artists wishes as best I can and the political bickering means nothing to me. So much word soup has been tossed my direction I can’t even be bothered to read it anymore.
 
The artists who want DNPs can have them, and to combat this bizarre disinformation campaign that we somehow make that difficult even though this is the same software DB uses, I’ve asked my staff to make a video tutorial on how easy it is to get done. I am an optimistic person and I believe in the truth. I know in the end my tenacity will see this site through, and the bad faith attempts to paint us as artist unfriendly will be seen for the lies they are.
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Anonymous #BCEE
@Anonymous #31EC  
idk man, he seems pretty calm to me. he makes a good point–at the time the majority of these DNPs were filed, “Artist Upload only” actually meant “Artist Upload only but just for a little while” so most artist went with “Other” instead, hence the DNPs needing so much manual review.
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Clear Vision
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Petrolhead Artist
@CurtainedWizard  
Regarding HXs DNP: I changed his DNP because I had just finished the mass delete of his art, and found the text beyond just offensive into the realm of defamatory. I’m under no obligation to syndicate my own defamation. The omission of the negatory was simply a mistake because I was very tired. It’s been corrected and his DNP now expresses both his wishes and his view. If he wants to keep preaching on a soapbox, he has Twitter. He has my apologies that it took me a while to tend the mass delete, and that’s all I can do.
 
Okay, that makes sense. I am aware of his nature.
 
Regarding the initial site rules, other than wanting “use your filters” to be rule 0, I had nothing to do with them. I need to not have to worry about site content issues at all so I can get back to working on the server this site should be living on and isn’t yet, and letting Z handle 100% of that was part of it. Once the cloud is solidified, I’ll turn my engineering concerns to the site and you’ll see rapid progress.
 
I don’t want to discredit any work that has been done on the site so far, especially when it comes to managing servers because that isn’t easy or cheap by any means; I’m just confused at some of the choices that has been made. Yes, it is important that the server and the site as a whole is functional, but I’d argue that the way the site’s rules and atmosphere is equally as important and shouldn’t be taken lightly, especially since this site is being presented as a Derpibooru alternative as mentioned before.
 
Unlike Furbooru (despite using the same framework), Derpibooru and Ponybooru serve similar purposes at face value; they’re both archives hosting MLP art, and they both are similar in terms of functionality and appearance. This means that people are going to notice differences between them much more, mainly the rules, how the staff acts and so forth. Combined with Ponybooru still being a relatively new site, first impressions are very important. I can only speak for myself here, but this site hasn’t made a good first impression with me. Taking power away from artists with their own work was never going to go down well and even if you weren’t personally responsible for it, a member of staff who’s also working on the site with you was.
 
Dil/HX and the angry blue bird crew et al trying to crucify this site from the day it spawned has made me numb to caring about their viewpoints. My ultimate goal is doing what’s best for the community and respecting the artists wishes as best I can and the political bickering means nothing to me. So much word soup has been tossed my direction I can’t even be bothered to read it anymore.
 
I’ll agree with you here. Again, I can only speak for myself, but I would have never filed my DNP if the rules when the site first went public were against artists. If any of your art pieces were uploaded here (which is quite likely considering there are people using bots to just import images straight from Derpibooru en masse), and you didn’t want your art here, you were tough out of luck because your only options were to file for a DNP, where the best option was just delaying uploads, or to send a letter to the site’s PO box with your contact info, including your home address. It is much easier for an artist to remove their work from Derpibooru, and if you’re worried that will affect Ponybooru’s ability to be an image archive, the majority of artists who want to remove their work completely are doing so for a very specific reason and are not doing it on a whim.
 
I still want my Artist Upload only DNP to stand, but instead of deleting the three images of mine that have been uploaded so far, I just want the uploader credit to be transferred over to me. I know this isn’t the best place to ask but I’ve mentioned to you before that I’m perfectly happy to use this site and upload my stuff as long as PB continues to listen to artists. At the end of the day this is just another site people can discover my work on so unless I have a serious problem with a site or how my work is being presented, I don’t have much reason for wanting my work removed. However, at the time I submitted it, I did have a problem. I suppose my overall point is that this headache could have been prevented if there were better DNP systems in place and if the rules weren’t written in the way that they were at public launch.
 
 
@Anonymous #31EC  
I’m not angry, all I did was present some additional context that was relevant to the topic of the thread and question why the old rules even were allowed to go through in the first place, and I now have my answer.
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Devops
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“I still want my Artist Upload only DNP to stand, but instead of deleting the three images of mine that have been uploaded so far, I just want the uploader credit to be transferred over to me”
 
Consider it done.
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Anonymous #82BB
@Rhyrs  
I know a lot of you are using mass uploaders to move content from derpibooru over here, but is it really that hard to check the DNP list and add the artist tags to the excluded tags on the uploader? I keep having to report images which just wastes the time of both me and the admins.
 
Fuck the DNP list. Screw anyone who doesn’t support Freedom. If they won’t willingly support Anti-Censorship, they will be forced to unwillingly.
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Ghibelline Omnipotens
@Anonymous #82BB
 
Twibooru has no DNP list. Neither does Rainbooru. Just follow the rules on this site. There are other places that actually want to be the wild west if that’s what you’re after.
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Clear Vision
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Petrolhead Artist
@Anonymous #82BB  
Fuck the DNP list. Screw anyone who doesn’t support Freedom. If they won’t willingly support Anti-Censorship, they will be forced to unwillingly.
 
You… do realise that people wanting DNPs has nothing to do with them supporting censorship? This is a very disrespectful thing to say towards artists that are producing content that you (or the community as a whole) like. People putting their own work on DNP is not affecting anyone else’s right or ability to express themselves, and therefore by definition can’t be censorship. Being anti-censorship doesn’t give you the right to take liberties.
 
Now head over to Twi or Rainbooru and don’t come back.
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Clear Vision
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Petrolhead Artist
@IvanSatoru  
Let’s not forget why this whole DNP situation kicked off in the first place, and why Derpibooru alternatives have been importing images, shall we?
 
Abusive DMCA claims attempting to take down content that is 100% fair use (because of being sufficiently transformative or consists of valid critique) is censorship, yes. But that’s not what’s going on here with DNPs. There’s no critique or transformation going on with booru sites hosting artwork, and I feel like people have been getting confused on what censorship actually means.
 
If all censorship means to you is the suppression of information (regardless of who, what, or any other additional context), then anything getting removed for any reason is censorship, and by the logic of some of the narrow-minded users I’ve seen on here and Derpi, all types of censorship is bad. I wish people would move away from censorship and instead start talking about freedom of expression, because I think that’s what this all comes down to.
 
I’d like to clarify that I don’t support censorship that unfairly inhibits another person’s freedom of expression. Draw or say whatever you want; as an artist, my personal wish is that I don’t want my work on any of the altboorus for the time being due to most of them having a lack of respect for artists. I’m not affecting anyone else’s ability to express themselves, and all of my work can be found elsewhere.
 
For Ponybooru specifically, I got my DNP that I wanted, but I’m still periodically checking this site now and then for any additional progress. I haven’t written it off completely because I do like that the staff is more upfront with what’s going on compared to Derpi. Once I’m happy with the rules, I’ll start posting more of my work here myself.
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Anonymous #82BB
@Clear Vision  
I honestly think you are pathetic. You will not post to this site until it has Pro-Censorship rules like Derpi, something this site should not have. Your art should be posted here whether you like it or not. You will be forced to support Anti-Censorship whether you like it or not.
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Anonymous #3F22
@Anonymous #82BB  
>>> I honestly think you are pathetic.
 
pot, meet kettle
 
not wanting your art to be reuploaded against your wishes isn’t “censorship” dumbass, someone’s art is literally their property (regardless) of if it’s fanart, unless the artist says the image is free-to-share.
 
don’t tell artists what they can and can’t do with their art.
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Clear Vision
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Petrolhead Artist
@Anonymous #82BB
 
Do you even know who I am or what my stance is on Aryanne art? Have you read any of the responses I’ve given in this very thread? I promise you don’t have to look hard at all to figure out what I think.
 
I couldn’t care less. People can draw all the swastikas they want and all the pictures of Aryanne they want, and they can upload it anywhere that allows for it. Hell, I even have a few Aryanne art pieces upvotes or faved on Derpi. I just want control over my own artwork, and for people to have respect towards one another and their works. I have no intentions on affecting anyone else’s freedom of expression anytime soon, but i also have the right to judge others based on their actions and choose who or what I associate myself with.
 
The only thing you’ve achieved is making yourself look like an absolute dunce who has to hide behind an anonymous tag.
 
@TheGlitchedWolf
 
The thing is, I really don’t give a shit about any sort of “ideology” or agenda people have. I just want people to stop using Derpibooru’s situation as an excuse to take liberties.
 
This whole situation has arose due to Aryanne being in the spotlight again as well as BLM… yet this anon is trying to tell me that despite not ever speaking out negatively against Aryanne (or her fans who recognise her as satire), or ever condoning Derpibooru’s actions, or ever drawing anything of a political or controversial nature, I support censorship. Of course.
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Anonymous #E77B
And here I was excited to have another pony site where people couldn’t just blanket ban edits, but looks like that aint true anymore.
 
Twibooru it is then!
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