NorthyDreams 
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People are allowed to create what they like. Period. You're going to have to learn to live with shit on the walls, occasionally, especially since you've shown you are willing to smear shit by other people's definitions on the walls already. It's not about being morally superior, it's about doing the right thing. You don't compromise for the sake of your own comfort. Not in the slightest. Defending freedom of expression means defending the rights of people you disagree with, consistently, even though you disagree with them.
You don't need to purge ideas you disagree with to enforce the basic rules of the site. Stop equating the two, it doesn't make you look smart and it's absolutely not what anyone has said. There's nothing intolerant about enforcing **the rules**, it becomes intolerant when **the rules** disallow discussion of ideas **you disagree with**. Stop equating the tolerance of speech and ideas you disagree with to the allowing of the violation of the rules. It doesn't hold water, and I sincerely hope no one is swayed by your garbage argumentation.
"Criticism of ideas" =/= "Lack of those ideas being welcome". In a place that venerates freedom of expression, the EXACT thing that people left Derpi to attempt to **preserve**, people must be allowed to speak their minds. If they **feel** welcome to speak them is irrelevant so long as their rights are protected and they are allowed to speak. Just as I didn't care if the culture of Derpibooru wasn't hospitable to the ideas of free expression so long as the leadership weren't cracking down on free expression, so too do I not care if the culture here is inhospitable to the ideas of free expression (yourself included) so long as the right to freedom of expression is respected.
"Your voice will be drowned out." You are allowed to criticize and push back. What the hell do you think I'm doing right now? This argument literally relies on the idea that there are more shitty people that exist than people who will stand for freedom of expression, first off... and secondly it relies on the idea of site leadership handing over the reins to people who would censor other people, which is a ludicrous proposal that is **still** a requirement of making action above and beyond that of just tolerating ideas and expression.
Your **only** counterargument is 'eventually shitty people will overcome you by numbers', which doesn't mean anything if you don't hand them the keys to censor other people. Look at where we are -- it's a response to censorship in the first place. Derpibooru **did** hand over those keys and they **still** couldn't quash dissent, which completely shreds your idea of how this is supposed to work.
In the example given of dip-furries, it doesn't matter if they create their own furry only topics, those topics don't prevent the discussion of what we want, and if they're off topic to the site and the site's topic is pony and the rules are about pony related discussion, then follow the rules. It's literally that simple. The off-topic section of the forums exist for a reason. People are allowed to blow in, through and by our group and trying to stop that isn't going to help anyone. Handing them the reins isn't "tolerance" and trying to equate it with tolerance makes you look like like you can't distinguish simple concepts.
Two possibilities exist from that;
Either you **can** distinguish topics and are doing this deliberately to attempt to undermine the concept of free expression, in which case you're a poorly disguised authoritarian and therefore are the problem in the first place...
Or you **can't** distinguish topics arend are incapable of understanding the difference between tolerance and more than tolerance, in which case I pity you and you probably shouldn't be talking about things you can't understand.
Oh, and speaking of facts and feelings? Humans aren't automatons, but the rules have to be written to apply to everyone equally, regardless of who they are. People's right to 'feel' a certain way does not trump the right of others to express freely. It shouldn't have trumped the right of people like us to express in the pony space on Derpibooru (which is why we left) and it shouldn't trump the right of people like them to express in the pony space here, even if they're mocked for it. That is how freedom of expression works.
"You will fail" is not an argument. Get better material. People being tolerated doesn't affect the rules of a space, or a culture. People's ideas being ELEVATED does that. People being allowed to CHANGE the rules does that. Those aren't tolerance. You've failed to make an equivocation and your argument is a pile of disconnected assertions that mean nothing.
Prince of Monsters
People are allowed to create what they like. Period. You're going to have to learn to live with shit on the walls, occasionally, especially since you've shown you are willing to smear shit by other people's definitions on the walls already. It's not about being morally superior, it's about doing the right thing. You don't compromise for the sake of your own comfort. Not in the slightest. Defending freedom of expression means defending the rights of people you disagree with, consistently, even though you disagree with them.
You don't need to purge ideas you disagree with to enforce the basic rules of the site. Stop equating the two, it doesn't make you look smart and it's absolutely not what anyone has said. There's nothing intolerant about enforcing **the rules**, it becomes intolerant when **the rules** disallow discussion of ideas **you disagree with**. Stop equating the tolerance of speech and ideas you disagree with to the allowing of the violation of the rules. It doesn't hold water, and I sincerely hope no one is swayed by your garbage argumentation.
"Criticism of ideas" =/= "Lack of those ideas being welcome". In a place that venerates freedom of expression, the EXACT thing that people left Derpi to attempt to **preserve**, people must be allowed to speak their minds. If they **feel** welcome to speak them is irrelevant so long as their rights are protected and they are allowed to speak. Just as I didn't care if the culture of Derpibooru wasn't hospitable to the ideas of free expression so long as the leadership weren't cracking down on free expression, so too do I not care if the culture here is inhospitable to the ideas of free expression (yourself included) so long as the right to freedom of expression is respected.
"Your voice will be drowned out." You are allowed to criticize and push back. What the hell do you think I'm doing right now? This argument literally relies on the idea that there are more shitty people that exist than people who will stand for freedom of expression, first off... and secondly it relies on the idea of site leadership handing over the reins to people who would censor other people, which is a ludicrous proposal that is **still** a requirement of making action above and beyond that of just tolerating ideas and expression.
Your **only** counterargument is 'eventually shitty people will overcome you by numbers', which doesn't mean anything if you don't hand them the keys to censor other people. Look at where we are -- it's a response to censorship in the first place. Derpibooru **did** hand over those keys and they **still** couldn't quash dissent, which completely shreds your idea of how this is supposed to work.
In the example given of dip-furries, it doesn't matter if they create their own furry only topics, those topics don't prevent the discussion of what we want, and if they're off topic to the site and the site's topic is pony and the rules are about pony related discussion, then follow the rules. It's literally that simple. The off-topic section of the forums exist for a reason. People are allowed to blow in, through and by our group and trying to stop that isn't going to help anyone. Handing them the reins isn't "tolerance" and trying to equate it with tolerance makes you look like like you can't distinguish simple concepts.
Two possibilities exist from that;
Either you **can** distinguish topics and are doing this deliberately to attempt to undermine the concept of free expression, in which case you're a poorly disguised authoritarian and therefore are the problem in the first place...
Or you **can't** distinguish topics a
Oh, and speaking of facts and feelings? Humans aren't automatons, but the rules have to be written to apply to everyone equally, regardless of who they are. People's right to 'feel' a certain way does not trump the right of others to express freely. It shouldn't have trumped the right of people like us to express in the pony space on Derpibooru (which is why we left) and it shouldn't trump the right of people like them to express in the pony space here, even if they're mocked for it. That is how freedom of expression works.
"You will fail" is not an argument. Get better material. People being tolerated doesn't affect the rules of a space, or a culture. People's ideas being ELEVATED does that. People being allowed to CHANGE the rules does that. Those aren't tolerance. You've failed to make an equivocation and your argument is a pile of disconnected assertions that mean nothing.