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AlsoSprachOdin

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Can confirm they’re full of shit. Today may be a hot summer day, but they cried global warming all the way back in the thirties, then somewhere in the sixties or seventies it was global cooling for a bit, and now it’s “climate change”, which was a constant process long before humans arrived on the planet.  
The Maldives are not underwater, the polar ice caps haven’t evaporated and the UK isn’t reduced to a bunch of tiny islets. The environment activist billionaries buy their mansions at the seaside, travel in private jets and ignore all questions about any of that.
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@AlsoSprachOdin  
Sorry. I meant how full of shit they are about solar panels/turbines/EVs/etc. being “completely green” if recycling will be difficult and/or components will just be trashed.
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Whats a tankie?
 
Also i find it interesting how conservative like him talk and argue, its ridiculous in their own way. During Trump years i watched quite a bit of The Young Turks and i see a lot of similarities. And the amount of exaggerations and purposeful misinterpretations are most of the time very obvious and tiring. On both sides, i saw a couple videos of Ben Shapiro and he is just kind of unlikable and has this tick of talking fast to sound smarter than he is.
 
So after Trump era i stopped watching The Young Turks because they became increasingly annoying and had two terrible hosts.
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@Seiken  
Didn’t have access to regular AC for all of my adult life (minus a few stop gapish things and single room situations sometimes but overall would spend 95% of my time in the heat). Regularly over 100 degrees/40 celsius and only have a fan going. It is hard but doable, even if I get sick and overheated and sometimes have to find somewhere cool down. My grandfather didn’t have those options when he grew up in the 1930s in rural Texas and he turned out fine.
 
Also there is a weird clash of his traditional family values of raising a family and leaving a legacy vs other statements he made that EVEN if climate change is real and we have reached the point of no return then we should just enjoy life. Completely ignoring that he makes his legacy suffer for his own comfort.  
Haven’t seen the video but I will say this: that mentality, from what you describe, sounds like a old fashioned American maximalist Republican coalition from 1980 to mid 2010s mentality of doubling down on everything as it has been. It is a position that I find sadly pretty defensible. I mean, when the people who whine about this the most are traveling around to and from Davos in far more fuel hungry, emission producing, bad for the environment, jets, why should I cut back at all in my life and deny myself AC and cut back on showering. It doesn’t feel like the cut back is worth it other than to leave more for a elite that hates my guts already.
 
>It looks to me like he says it, just to own whoever is in favor of combating climate change. Even if someone doesn’t believe in climate change, the cost associated with just wasting energy like that and also putting the machine under stress that reduces its life time should fend of people from being this stupid. Thats why i believe its a performance piece of his.  
This where is where this mentality can get stupid though (if he did indeed articulate it this way, haven’t watched the video I stress). Even if it you take global warming for granted (as I do), being wasteful is still bad and technically against any version of conservatism that holds any restraint or personal responsibility. I really think that cutting back on consumption and waste is a moral imperative even if our resources were endless, you still have pollution and inefficiency to consider. Imagine if just 10 to 20% of our population held off on buying a new computer for example (which I will admit is harder to do with how badly consuming grade is made), there would’ve have been a crisis of demand in a lot of things during COVID with just a little smarter resourcefulness and conservation.
 
 
@Anonymous #B041  
Green is often good, just that the advocates for it are often either just in bed with special interests or in a magical land in their head without consideration beyond wind and solar.
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@TheBridge  
True. There’s always the advocates for it making a huge profit. But I’m just thinking of a what-if situation where if we did get everyone on EVs and used solar/wind power how long would that last before needed to be replaced, how much of it will wind up in a landfill and how much will be recycled and if there’d be enough power to sustain the energy needs of cities/etc.
 
Like I said I haven’t done much research so I’m not sure if some of my concerns are already something that’s been considered/taken care of or if I’m paranoid. It’s not that I’m against the idea of green energy but I just want to be sure we’re not trading one problem for another.
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@AlsoSprachOdin  
No you see that’s just the pop culture/politician version of climate change, which is of course totally wrong. The real version of climate change science has actually been correct all along and has accurately predicted every climate pattern ever after it already happened. The scientists have been right all along but you just didn’t get to hear the real story. This all just happened to be so, and it’s not because we needed an alternate story once the pop one failed.
 
I’m sorry guys, but you can’t change the weather
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@Seiken
sounds like a old fashioned American maximalist Republican coalition from 1980 to mid 2010s mentality of doubling down on everything as it has been. It is a position that I find sadly pretty defensible. I mean, when the people who whine about this the most are traveling around to and from Davos in far more fuel hungry, emission producing, bad for the environment, jets, why should I cut back at all in my life and deny myself AC and cut back on showering. It doesn’t feel like the cut back is worth it other than to leave more for a elite that hates my guts already.
 
Personal responsibility, you can’t control other people, even less other countries, but also quite often a cut back on various things has also benefits to yourself. Like using the AC less saving money. Eating less meat, better for your health (especially if ya your average MERICAN) and pls note i say less meat not abandon all eating habits.
 
The general issue also is that quite often, companies that do absolutely splendid will lobby against any changes even though they would 100% be fine and easily sustainable. But since that doesn’t equal making ALL THE MONEY they will do everything in their power to fight back.
 
And on companies, quite often people will claim their purpose is to make the maximum amount of money as if they are soulless entities when they are run by humans. Humans who have a will of their own, that can be held to a moral, sustainable and sensible standard.
AlsoSprachOdin

@Seiken  
My impression is that it used to be british slang for commies, but now it’s what the current-year commies call old-school commies while deriding them for being statists.
 
@Seiken  
>Humans who have a will of their own, that can be held to a moral, sustainable and sensible standard.  
Yes, but groups of people, who are organised in complex systems, cannot realistically be expected to act the same way as individuals. And especially not like moral individuals when decision-making positions select less for competence at the job than at competence at getting promoted.
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@Seiken  
A Stalinist. Although market socialism like in Yugoslavia is probably more accurate for my views, it doesn’t have a catchy title.
 
I’m not a prog, but I can’t even listen to people on the right anymore. I reject identity politics, feminism, anti-white racism; they distract from the real problems of nuclear war, environmental destruction, and class struggle.
 
It’s the right’s snarky, hypocritical bullshit and praise of wastefulness that I’ve always hated†, and now that “conservatives” (who don’t believe in conserving anything) have become allies with the TERFs (who hate their guts) that was the final straw for me.
 
 
I wrote more but there’s no point. It’s just stuff for me, no one else wants to read it.
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So reddit has banned the word “groomer” because they consider it an anti-LGBT slur.
 
They’re basically admitting what we’ve known all this time.
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i would like to work as a horse groomer. But stupid teenagers have turned that word into slang havent they?
Anonymous #B041
@Amagan  
It’s always amazing when the weirdos that are so obsessed with teaching kids about gender/sexuality at such a young age can’t see why normal people would be against it. Even more so when you see some of these teachers on TikTok that shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a child when they pretty much admit they’re more focused on this identity bullshit, CRT and making “good allies”
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@Seiken  
>Like using the AC less saving money.  
Yes.
 
>Eating less meat, better for your health  
Also agree. It is also better for resources in total if we could cut meat to not have to grow as much feed for livestock.
 
>(especially if ya your average MERICAN) and pls note i say less meat not abandon all eating habits.  
Noted. Veganism is crazy (no offense to any vegans, am just not convinced that one can rid all animal products in a radical way and not have some sort of drawback), but cutting back on meat is the sensible thing to do.
 
>The general issue also is that quite often, companies that do absolutely splendid will lobby against any changes even though they would 100% be fine and easily sustainable. But since that doesn’t equal making ALL THE MONEY they will do everything in their power to fight back.  
I have a severe distrust of regulation from the standpoint that it often only makes things suck for everybody but the trouble makers themselves (at least in the States).
 
>And on companies, quite often people will claim their purpose is to make the maximum amount of money as if they are soulless entities when they are run by humans. Humans who have a will of their own, that can be held to a moral, sustainable and sensible standard.  
Though I overall agree on corporations being beholden to only profit being a bad thing. Looking around at what that mentality did to the American heartland, I think a lot of the right do (but not enough). Albeit I fear that pressure on sustainability and corporate accountability will only produce a fusion of corporations and the state marching hand and hand to a left wing polite police state lead by Elisabeth Warren. A sort of worst of both worlds where the government expands their power and corporations persevere theirs (there was a reason the establishment was about to accept Warren over Bernie). I don’t think the market in its current form is going to naturally fix itself and I am uncertain of what view I would take to fix it, at least for my country. Some hopeful progress on right to repair not withstanding.
 
@Anonymous #B041  
I am in a similar boat. I know that electric car advocates and their team claim all the battery issues and such are just made up from think takes with oil money but considering where environmental advocacy has taken us with Europe and its energy woes I suspect that more could be amiss than what is admitted.
 
@AlsoSprachOdin  
Well, I would describe it as the attitude @Seiken described here. Though I think you already read it. In particular:  
Also there is a weird clash of his traditional family values of raising a family and leaving a legacy vs other statements he made that EVEN if climate change is real and we have reached the point of no return then we should just enjoy life. Completely ignoring that he makes his legacy suffer for his own comfort.
AlsoSprachOdin

@TheBridge  
I thought you meant the right in general, not this guy in particular. He hardly represents the entire right, just like tyt don’t represent the entire left.  
[edit] And on the matter of meat, just for christ’s sake let the market decide what’s a waste of resources or not. Or go eat the bugs and wonder why they cost so much while the governments shut down farms across the western world.
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@AlsoSprachOdin  
I do mean the right in general. I think that guy, at least how he is described there, as a example of it, and also is a example of what Urban Mystic means with his hatred of the pride of wastefulness.
 
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AlsoSprachOdin

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Well, I just don’t see it. This is the first I remember hearing of anyone suggesting intentionally leaving less for their own children. Maybe less of one thing in order to have more of another, or less for other people’s children, but not straight up just less for their own.
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I haven’t seen often to that degree. Though I do think sometimes, “eh, nothings wrong, live your life as you always have”, been brought to the point where it is fair enough to describe it as a sort of pride of wastefulness. I’ve heard stuff I would call borderline that in my own personal circles growing up. Personally, as I already said, I find a lot of the root of that mentality defensible outside of that idiotic extreme, even if I lean heavily toward being frugal and wish for more conservation/recycling.
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In terms of environmental friendliness i really hate it that nuclear energy is dismissed. I know in germany they had like a dozen of them and they are working on decommissioning them. All because of panic induced public pressure when nuclear ia one of the best alternatives.
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