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Barhandar
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The real question about the Kyle trial is, are the prosecutors really this retarded (in absolutely medical diagnosis sense, you don't give fucking edited footage then admit it was edited IN COURT without some serious brain problems), or do they have a hidden motive?
Etherium-Apex
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I think they're being so brazenly stupid because they know that no matter what they do the jury will vote guilty and the defense lawyers will shoot themselves in the foot just to avoid a mob lynching

They've already stumbled by asking for a mistrial without prejudice
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@Barhandar
Are you suggesting they're merely pretending to be retarded?

I suppose it's possible, though I can't imagine what they have to gain from making the biggest fools of themselves and their kind possible. Personally I think this is simply what happens when a group that's been allowed to coast by on artificial popularity is suddenly forced to contend in earnest. They were supposed to win this one from the outset. That's the way it's supposed to work.

Except it didn't this time. When they did stupid shit or pulling dirty (and illegal) tricks, they got taken to task over it. And they had no idea how to respond to that, which led to them panicking and making even stupider decisions. They went in with no actual plan because the "plan" was to go through the motions and accept their complimentary win.
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If Kyle is acquitted, it's very possible the feds will swoop him up and charge him again, so he can get a "proper" trial with properly corrupt judges. Especially since they asked for a mistrial WITHOUT prejudice.

The whole thing is a farce. The judge, jury and lawyers are delaying as long as possible due to the threat of violence from left wing enforcers (I'm calling them enforcers now since calling them terrorists implies they aren't deployed and protected by the government), Kenosha will burn, and police will be ordered to stand down and watch it happen. Anyone who fights back or tries to stop any of it will be punished to the full extent of the new Marxist law.
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@Etherium-Apex
It's never been about Kyle. The whole trial is an attack on the right to self defense and whatever semblance of law and order is left in this country. If Kyle is declared guilty, it confirms justice is dead. Leftist blackshirts are permitted to riot in the streets, attack anyone they please, destroy anything they please, and you are not permitted to do anything about it.

Accept the beatings. Accept becoming homeless. Accept becoming jobless. Or spend the rest of your days as a political prisoner for the crime of dissidence.
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@Anonymous #372F
Once law and order is reduced, I've always said we, Whites, Hispanics and Asians, should use the opportunity to deal with the blacks, liberals and alphabet people. Purge our communities of the troublesome elements once and for all.

Despite what some say, the police do, in fact, protect their kinds.

Despite what many may think, Whites aren't the only ones who don't like the direction the leftist freaks are taking humanity towards.

Form militias, gather firearms and other weaponry, then liquidate anyone who opposes us.

Obviously, I do have my own agenda and vision of what humanity should and should not be, so I'm not claiming to be tolerant and altruistic. These would be steps in the right direction, in my views, but very oversimplified for forum-posting reasons.
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@Etherium-Apex
>The whole thing is a farce. The judge, jury and lawyers are delaying as long as possible due to the threat of violence from left wing enforcers.
What have you heard of the judge being submissive or bias in that direction. Not denying, just curious.

> (I'm calling them enforcers now since calling them terrorists implies they aren't deployed and protected by the government),
Anarcho-tyranny I think this word describes the relationship between those the rioters/protestors and a lot of sections of the Government, as much as I disagree with the writer who coined it.
This condition, which in some of my columns I have called "anarcho-tyranny," is essentially a kind of Hegelian synthesis of what appear to be dialectical opposites: the combination of oppressive government power against the innocent and the law-abiding and, simultaneously, a grotesque paralysis of the ability or the will to use that power to carry out basic public duties such as protection or public safety. And, it is characteristic of anarcho-tyranny that it not only fails to punish criminals and enforce legitimate order but also criminalizes the innocent. At the same time the governor of North Carolina grotesquely fails to uphold his famous oath to protect the citizens of his state by keeping convicted felons in prison, he has no problem finding the time to organize a massive waste of his time and the taxpayers' money to hound and humiliate a perfectly innocent citizen for the infraction of a trivial traffic law.


@Adan Druego
Black people elected this guy and had rallies in his support for some semblance of law and order. The most progressive candidate got mainly the white and rich areas vote. Eric Adams may not fully be were a lot right leaning people are at, maybe one day he will cave to pressure, I certainly disagree on his anti gun stance. and he will just suck in other ways, but I think it shows of anything that the true crazy stuff is not pushed from below but up top.
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@TheBridge
This notion of anarcho-tyranny assumes the "anarchists" aren't controlled from the top, which, by all available evidence, they appear to be. The government is funding them, supplying them with pallets of bricks, ordering the police to protect the rioters and beat and use illegal chemical weapons on innocent people defending themselves and others from the rioters, and sending bail money to the few who are arrested.

The rioters are the SA. They are causing the chaos necessary to overthrow the law abiding citizens. Once the ruling class has eliminated the average gun-toting American then they will liquidate the rioters and assume total control.

This is what happens every time tyrants take power.
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@UrbanMysticDee
>assumes the "anarchists" aren't controlled from the top, which, by all available evidence, they appear to be.
The ideology is being pushed by the top and young radicals pushed out from media and colleges but I don't think that control is so neat and organized Do I think that some groups could be egging it on and providing some support to them? Sure, but I don't believe they are like the SA. I feel it would be better described as a fire that Democrats are both stoking and afraid of at once. Too many incidents of infighting and… well, awkward situations
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@UrbanMysticDee
Thy aren't the SA, they're Bolsheviks if we're comparing anything. They openly declare their alignment with Communism and their Marxist/Communistic goals, and even flaunt Marxist symbolism such as the hammer and sickle. Americans just haven't been able to shake their obsession with National Socialists thanks to World War II and a lack of experience with the Communist dictators that ruled the East during the 20th century.

I cringe whenever someone tries to compare woke fuckery and Marxist tyranny to National Socialists. Even seen some rather stupid comics talking about "fascists" right next to a hammer and sickle. When they do this, not only are they helping to ignore and cover up the evils of Marxism, but they're building up the exact same "Nazi" boogeyman that leftists like to use. Both call anyone they don't like a Nazi, and use equally illogical and historically ignorant excuses to do so.
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@Etherium-Apex
Horseshoe, dude. They can flaunt any flags they want, their methods are exact same (and WERE exact same back then too). And for a normie it doesn't matter what color is the boot that is pressing their face into the dirt.
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@Barhandar
>"and use equally illogical and historically ignorant excuses to do so"

"Muh horseshoe theory" is a common example. Let me elaborate.

Authoritarian left: No hierarchies, only equality; Hard social redistribution; no life is worth more than another. Anti-nationalism, open borders; "Global citizens"; End the nuclear family for optimum sociological liberty

Authoritarian right: Hierarchies should be accepted and utilized; People should be incentivized to create wealth to avoid dependence, and some individuals are worth more than others. Embrace nationalism, tight border control, uphold the nuclear family unit as the best form of financial and sociological welfare

Totally the same.

Horseshoe theorists are just fence sitters who ignorantly lump everyone not anarchist/libertarian into the same category, not realizing that their lack of authoritarianism will allow either of the very different authoritarians to manipulate and take over society. And since they call everything Nazis and ignore Marxists just like the left, the authoritarian left are the ones with a better chance of doing so.
Barhandar
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@Etherium-Apex
Again, the point is they use same methods. Their ideological memes are irrelevant when both of them do pogroms and subjugation through threats of violence. Hence direct comparison of modern antifa to NSDAP's brownshirts/SA Or brownshirts to their contemporary commie equivalents, the ones Orwell was part of before he realized they're shitty people who only care about personal power. They didn't really change at fucking all.. They can profess opposite beliefs, but what they do is riot, assault people and in general act like hired thugs.

And lefties can claim equality of worth of life (for example) all they want in theory, it doesn't make them stop ignoring David Dorn and dozens of others in practice.

P.S. Or, rephrasing, the point of horseshoe theory is that the differences between left/right are negligible in comparison to the similarity of being authoritarian.
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@Etherium-Apex
Ehhhhhh.

The part about the authoritarian left: you're writing what they're CLAIMING to be, not what actually happens every single time leftists take over. The first thing they do is create hierarchies harder than any rightists could possibly dream up, redistribute all wealth to the top percentile, and enact super hard nationalism while claiming they want the world to be unified as "global citizens" — as long as it's their country dictating how everything works.

Take a look at the hierarchy in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Shit's amazing.
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Again proving my point that horseshoe theorists will just lump completely different ideologies into the same category because "they're both mean". And why is this being used as an excuse to continue calling political opponents Nazis? All that shows me is you sympathize more with Marxists. If your logic really is "They're both authoritarians", then why continue calling them after only one ideology? It seems more like another form of brainwashing as far as I'm concerned. If you wanted to be consistent you wouldn't be falsely labeling obvious and self-identifying Marxists and Bolsheviks as things they aren't. It confirms my original points.

And also, Communists and National Socialists still didn't use the same methods, and their ideals are directly opposed. People think they use the same methods due to rampant misinformation, over-simplification, and general historical ignorance. A large portion of what people attribute to "Nazis" is highly exaggerated.

The economy in Germany boomed after Hitler came to power, and people had more wealth than ever; meanwhile when Lenin took over Russia there was mass poverty. The Soviets put anyone who criticized the government in prison camps for 50+ years, and the Germans only put specific people in camps after they were in a state of war.

The German SA did not spend all their time randomly breaking shit and assaulting people while they were in power (Kristallnacht is the only possible case here and that was more a case of mass hysteria than any coordinated attack, and it happened years after they were in power), and before then the NSDAP only got into brawls because the Marxists would attack them when they went into debate halls to try and talk to the public. This is attested in Mein Kampf.

They did not take power through violent revolution, they were elected. The Marxists did. Marxists took over every country by murdering the ruling parties and causing chaos until they won. The NSDAP earned popular vote peacefully by swaying the public in their favor, promising to bring them out of their crippling depression, destroy the Marxist threat (this is even in their anthem Horst Wessel Lied), and cure Germany of societal decay. And in terms of economy, they did. They introduced a new currency that brought German citizens into a new level of prosperity. They didn't have to attack dissidents, because everyone loved them. Even America was on their side. (Also America put political enemies in camps so I guess Americans are Nazis too)

The first Marxists in Russia took power by murdering the entire Romanov family and then just assuming power, killing or imprisoning anyone who got in their way. After that, instead of fulfilling their promise to redistribute the wealth, they hoarded it, and forced people to work for little or nothing in return. They organized famines to starve "kulaks" (dissenters), and their secret police the Cheka/NKVD would enforce loyalty to the new leaders. They also didn't randomly break shit or attack people; that was the job of the revolutionaries they used to take over.


So the main difference here with how Marxists and National Socialists take power, is one does it by killing, and the other does it by persuasion. One uses constant force, the other uses reward. 1984 vs Brave New World. They do not use the same methods, thus calling Marxists "Nazis" is very stupid.
Barhandar
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@Etherium-Apex
>strawman about opponents getting called nazis
>strawman about sympathizing with marxists
>"I defeated those strawmen" pat on the back
>general historical ignorance
>"uh sweetie soviets put people into camps for 50+ years"
>"uh sweetie SA/brownshirts didn't assault political opponents and pogrom shit, the nazi equivalent of the bible/das kapital says so"
>"uh sweetie NSDAP totally wasn't planning a violent takeover and got really surprised when they got honestly elected"
>"uh sweetie marxists took power by murdering Romanovs and assuming power"

dude lmao we're not a marxist forum (except for certain users) and you need to brush up on history
Especially the "Russian civil war" part, especially the parts where
1: bolsheviks are called such because they got the majority by popular support in the last assembly that actually mattered
2: how by that assembly, much less their execution, the Romanovs weren't rulers anymore (they were forced to GTFO in favor of Temporary Government, which was spineless and ruled for less than a year and also got forced to GTFO, then people in control were switching constantly until the aforementioned assembly),
3: how the civil war was essentially Reds-socialists (bolsheviks, who, by the way, went for "all you get without letting people have independent nations is a civil war in there" and got immediately proven right by the Finns) vs Whites-socialists (mensheviks, democrats, liberals, basically the typical self-eating left), with the latter also having imperialists (army of russian empire) and nationalists (mostly because they hated commies, despite the independence)
4: how instead of "lol they just assumed power" they actually had to fight for it, both externally (e.g. czechoslovaks who learnt of Trotsky's plan to disarm them and execute anyone armed on the spot and did what US-ians refuse to do, that is, started shooting the commies the fuck up) and internally (again, left is self-eating)
5: how both sides did a fuckload of pillaging, raping and burning (but the Whites more owing to controlling, at first, more territory and having less of a leash on it)
6: the shenanigans with English invasion in the north, full course deal with concentration camps, chemical weapons
7: the shenanigans with Japanese invasion in the east
8: some individuals like Pepelyaev who commanded the White armies, was so ballsy that the reds convicted and imprisoned him instead of shooting him on the spot, successfully lived through that, and only got executed by Stalin's NKVD in 1938
9: (Stalin is as much of a commie as Mao, Pol Pot, Kims, etc: they're all totalitarian dictators using communism as window dressing; ditto Hitler, though he did fulfill more promises, but he also had, as you pointed out, an actually more or less prosperous country instead of needing to bring a bunch of post-war peasants to world-war-winning levels and succeeding)
10: the whole deal with monolithic (because the self-eaters either flipped sides or were persuaded otherwise/executed) Bolsheviks/Reds and a bunch of completely separate, foreigner-funded idiots the Whites
11: Reds continued the Monarchist, made in 1916, policy of food supply (all goes to the army, you join or you starve), Whites had all the fertile land and hence civilians refusing to join up in their fight


tl;dr: the only one here calling marxists nazis is you, I'm calling them same shit because they ARE same authoritarian shit, and you don't know history
P.S. No, that they technically weren't commies doesn't excuse Stalin & Co, because they're the inevitable result of commies coming to power, communism is too vulnerable to takeover, and consequently they can be considered commies.
P.P.S. Night of Long Knives as the equivalent to Stalin's ChK/NKVD purges, and after the nazis were supposedly defeated, the "suicided in decidedly non-suicide ways" RAF leaders — Germans might be pretending to be guilty, but they ain't rejecting the methods.
Wingnut
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"And also, Communists and National Socialists still didn't use the same methods, and their ideals are directly opposed."

Bud, ever heard of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? Or the how Hitler and Stalin were the biggest BFF's ever? And how Stalin was so emotionally crushed when Hitler backstabbed him, he pretty much gave up on life?

As for "didn't use the same methods?" Come. On. And you're seriously saying others are ignorant of history?
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