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@Anonymous #271C
We need more people like you to have reactions like this. You gathered information and tried to put it from her perspective aided by your own experience without fully taking her side, and still noting that it is a hard issue. I agree with you that a line should exist, but where it is I don’t know.
@Humble Oriathan
If she saw it as a attack, can’t entirely blame her acting angry. Still, I think she has a mentality that is entitled so I’m not sure how it would’ve worked out with more civility but it was worth a shot.
I did not mean to make this anonymous.
your current filter.Say, what if this person had dealt with blatant stealing of art and people being like this
Or this, as I cited previously
I can imagine a person who has dealt with this could have a understandable negative reaction and I wouldn’t blame’em nor think they were necessarily delusional or completely wrong to be pissed at something like this, in principle. That is where I was coming from in holding back a little; I don’t know this artist’s background. I don’t know where she is coming from.
Now, honestly, that doesn’t make her in the right either. Upon reading through her posts here and on twitter in full. I do agree that she is acting awfully high and mighty over… traced SFM renders. Such nebulous concepts can not be owned.
Legally, they technically exist. With FiM it is a gray area. If someone, who say, coming from a environment like deviantart where they would have to deal with stuff, like color anon has detailed with here often and I can see a someone who is used to that trying to guard their artwork as best they can. Now, naturally, I don’t share that position, at least in full. The internet in effect has made such rights in practice unenforceable and counterproductive to a lot of our cultural production. If such rights were truly jealously guarded everything from our fandom to most memes would not exist because they often laugh at the face of such rights as written in the law. I was just trying to come from a position of understanding over immediate hostility.
It sure is! I can totally see us making that a rule and then that rule being completely taken advantage of by bad actors to remove legit criticism and mockery, because yes, even bitter mockery is often legit and people would take advantage of any principle against it and use it to silence
@Adan Druego
I also agree with this in principle for sure. I am still trying to judge her behavior and I haven’t read all her posts here or on twitter. The line between someone who had a misunderstanding and poor communication leading to flaming tensions and just outright bad behavior can be hard to judge at times.
Again, this image is the result of Marci throwing a tantrum. All she had to do to avoid this being created is to not slander people and demand the nonexistent “artist rights” over something public being shared on the internet (with credit).
The moment anything goes public on the ‘net, you cannot control where it gets shared anymore. There is no right, there’s not even a privilege, there’s only personal respect for people that makes them not share stuff. And attacking sites that actually credit the artist, like boorus, means you rapidly lose said personal respect (also completely ignoring 9gag and the like which never credit the artist but always credit themselves).
And to think that even Twibooru is willing to entertain the option of removing the credit so that the artwork is not associated with someone (=searches don’t show them being on the site), but no, the attention seeker way is to give the site free advertisement instead.
@TheBridge
Non-reactionary, aka unprovoked, artworks intended to antagonize shouldn’t be made, sure, but it’s one hell of a blurry line (that xppp1n is actively doing somersaults on).
I believe people refer to it as “optics” these days.
We all wear masks.
How do I put my opposition to this? I know of instances of people who would draw OCs of people, sometimes underage, to mess with and harass people, within and out of the fandom. I think there should be principle against this on some level because I do think a OC that represents someone is something a bit different then a general OC. Granted, I can also see how that can be completely abused.
From a human level I can understand the anger, at least here. I seen people submit to whinny idiots before and I have people toss away completely understandable concerns as just “reeeeeeeeeeeeeee” and I am trying to judge this situation myself and I haven’t fully come to a conclusion on how I feel on it all. I understand the dismissive reaction from some users as well as so many folks like this, legitimate reasons or not, use clauses and rules like this to get people to walk on eggshells and shield or ban criticism.
@Adan Druego
It shouldn’t be ever seen at that level, I completely agree on that at least.
Note: I am not accusing the artist of sexual harassment or harassment in general, I am just explaining where my concern like this comes from.
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With how childish she acted, I disagree. She threw a tantrum because the mods won’t bend to her will even when they already explained how this isn’t breaking any rules. That kind of behavior should not be rewarded with kindness or genuine concern. She needs to learn that the world doesn’t revolve around her.
This and that.
I don’t think genuine outrage alone is enough for removal on its own. If you gave in to simple outrage, to the cry of “I’m offended!” You can’t have a functioning society. Though if you were to ask me if I thought this image was 100% totally justified staying up because free speech (which it is from a legal standpoint) I am not so sure. Though I am still trying to put my thoughts together on this as I read through stuff and posting why I think that there is a case for removal is rather… complicated.
Oh yeah. Now that I know to look for it, I can see it. Always a nice addition.
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Please don’t continue to antagonize users and fan the flames of this discussion. You along with everyone in this comment section have been asked to keep things civil, and this is straying quite a bit from that.
Rather bigoted of you to not support Melodious’s ‘coming out’ - and now you’re trying to stifle support for her brave choice to be a proud National Socialist?
Why, I bet you’re racist, too - probably use the ‘N’ word. Sorry bud, but only we can say “Nazi”, that’s OUR term.
I was gonna say. I see no hate in this image. The character is clearly smiling and having a good old time.
The tag is actually being misused here, the content on that tag is usually a character hating on another character or thing within that picture
Now that’s a term I haven’t heard before. But it smells like adventure.
Kek.
Just close the comments, there is only signs of constant harassment here.
Also a reminder to please keep things civil, thank you. If things get out of hand the comments section may be temporarily locked.